[Dailydave] Quick thread on SQLi

Wim Remes wremes at gmail.com
Thu Mar 8 15:13:09 EST 2012


Thanks for bringing sense into this discussion. A metric isn't a metric until you know what you measure. for what it is worth, I understand that webapp should better be "entity scanned" as it would cover both app.domain.com and www.domain.com/app . It may be a useful metric for vendors to proof relevancy, from a owner point of view... what does it mean? and how much is good enough?


On 08 Mar 2012, at 20:17, Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf at coredump.cx> wrote:

>> There are many SQLI patterns that are hard for automated tools to
>> find. This is an obvious point, so I'm sorry to pedantic, but I think
>> a survey based on automated scanning is a misleading starting point
>> for the discussion.
> Well, the definition of a web application  is a surprisingly
> challenging problem, too. This is particularly true for any surveys
> that randomly sample Internet destinations.
> Should all the default "it works!" webpages produced by webservers be
> counted as "web applications"? In naive counts, they are, but
> analyzing them for web app vulnerabilities is  meaningless. In
> general, at what level of complexity does a "web application" begin,
> and how do you measure that when doing an automated scan?
> Further, if there are 100 IPs that serve the same www.youtube.com
> front-end to different regions, are they separate web applications? In
> many studies, they are. On the flip side, is a single physical server
> with 10,000 parked domains a single web application? Some studies see
> it as 10,000 apps.
> Heck, is www.google.com a web application, or a collection of several
> hundred web apps? In my view, it's the latter, but how do you tell
> with a script?
> Would it be considered a single application were it running on a
> single physical machine? The intuitive answer is "no", but then, from
> the perspective of SQLi or an RCE bug, there is a difference of sorts.
> There's more... are foo.blogspot.com and bar.blogspot.com separate
> "web applications"? If not, then what about *.appspot.com? How does an
> automated tool determine the difference between these environments?
> The list goes on... In such cases, manually constructed and carefully
> vetted data is actually quite likely to be more meaningful than any
> automated
> studies.
> /mz
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