[Dailydave] INFILTRATE 2014 Movie Release: Dickie George

[Dave Aitel]

So I wanted to point out that in fact Dickie George said nothing to
indicate that the US did economic espionage of the type China does.
Large contractual bids are often valid intelligence, but if these never
get handed over to the domestic competition, then having an intelligence
analyst review them is not economic espionage, and I think you have
perhaps misheard something in the video of the INFILTRATE 2014 keynote.
Keep in mind the US negotiates many agreements on a State to State basis
with other nations. . .

-dave



On 6/15/2014 12:13 PM, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Dave Aitel <dave at immunityinc.com> wrote:
>> Immunity doesn't do a mass release of the videos for INFILTRATE, but
>> some of them are coming out! Here is the first one from 2014's
>> conference, Dickie George's keynote talk on his time at the NSA and
>> various things that are important.
>>
>> http://vimeo.com/97891042
> This was a really insightful keynote and is important. Of particular
> importance is the fact that Dickie George confirms the NSA performs
> routine economic espionage to win contractual international bids,
> despite all the rebuttals from NSA and their champions. This has been
> opined for a long time by cypherpunks like Jacob Appelbaum who has
> access to a lot of ex-NSA insider whistleblowers and helped Snowden
> escape to Russia. I know Mr. Dave Aitel (ex-NSA) thinks people like
> Edward Snowden (and Jake) are the most evil people in the world, but
> if the White House -- as public officials representative of the
> American people -- would just tell the truth, then perhaps we could
> vote properly about such issues. Because our government lies about
> such things, only whistleblowers can shed light on the true state of
> the world, which is vastly different than public officials lead us to
> believe. Until that time, whistleblowers like Snowden have little
> choice other than to hold the government accountable.
>
> Public officials are supposed to lead public lives and be held
> publicly accountable. This is primarily the job of our media. Private
> citizens are supposed to live private lives and retain their privacy.
> What we see in 2014 (really since 2001) is that this dichotomy is
> actually flipped. Public officials are living secretive, unaccountable
> lives while private citizens have their secrets completely exposed to
> surveillance. This is a violation of the fourth amendment. So, if you
> respect the constitution at all, you may choose to re-think your
> perspective on Snowden.
>
> From another perspective, I think we all agree that the NSA is
> necessary for protecting us from the ~really bad stuff~ in the world.
> We can all agree on that. But hopefully, we can find a balance where
> both privacy is retained and the majority of bad stuff is prevented.
> You can't prevent ~all the bad things~ / terrorism no matter what the
> NSA black budget is, just like even if you had a corporate budget of
> $100,000,000,000, you could not prevent a sophisticated hacker from
> successfully penetrating your network...
>
> What follows are links exposing the lies from public officials to
> private citizens:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMN2360LM_U#t=16m30s
> """
> 16:29that the NSA through the state department gave Boeing
> 16:33a number to bed when bidding against Airbus so the state surveillance
> 16:36mechanism was using corporate espionage so that Boeing could win
> because what's
> 16:40good for boeing is good for america
> 16:42so that they could win a bid against Airbus that's crazy to think
> of it being
> 16:46used that way
> 16:47but it wasn't created for that all it was created so that people could see
> 16:50secure and may be safe from some serious violence
> """
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYaCy53a3tk#t=0m33s
> """
> 0:31there is a significant an important
> 0:35distinction between the gathering intelligence for national security
> 0:38reasons
> 0:39which the United States does and surely China does and virtually every other
> 0:43nation on earth
> 0:44does and the gathering economic data
> 0:47for the purpose of providing a _competitive advantage_ to
> 0:53country like two companies in your own country that is not
> something that the
> 0:57United States does
> """
>
> http://vimeo.com/97891042#t=6m0s
> """
> 6:00 -- NSA: ~if we are negotiating with other countries, the would
> like to know what the positions are (to win the bid)~
> """


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