[Dailydave] FraudWorld vs. SpookWorld

John Strand john at blackhillsinfosec.com
Tue Mar 31 09:30:18 EDT 2015


Funny.

No mention of compliance.

It hit me about a week ago, fewer and fewer people are talking compliance.

Fraud and Spook, are coming up a lot more.

Are we growing - If just a little?

John

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Anton Chuvakin <anton at chuvakin.org> wrote:

> So far, I've shoved this most excellent post in quite a few faces .... and
> will shove in more :-)
>
> I often wonder whether those same people who equate infosec/"cyber" with
> fraud (and there are plenty, sadly - not on *this* enlightened list of
> course :-)) and thus want to "solve cyber", also want to "solve theft",
> "solve murder", "solve greed", etc, etc, etc.
>
> Ah, here goes one more: "... we don't need security, we don't handle
> credit card numbers here" ....
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Dave Aitel <dave at immunityinc.com> wrote:
>
>> So much of security is driven by "fraud" and coming from a spook
>> background as many people on this list do, I find it annoying.
>> RSA-the-conference-and-meme is one of those markets that just baffles a
>> lot of people who come from the government space. How is any of that
>> stuff possibly worth so much money?
>>
>> "Fraud" is partially the answer I think. Things that come from the fraud
>> world are as alien to spook-world as a giant ant-eater is to North
>> America. At some level defeating Fraud is about hygiene, more than
>> security. It's about valuing information in fungible units defined by
>> "Credit Cards" or "Users" and not by "importance".
>>
>> But climates can change and we are at the cusp of that change. If you
>> look at how Google Wallet or ApplePay work, they have the major
>> advantage in that they already know what you want to buy before you buy
>> it, and they know where you are at all times, so fraud is going to get
>> exponentially more difficult. It may, in fact, become impossible.
>> Imagine if consumer Fraud went extinct? Is this harder to imagine than a
>> world without woolly mammoths?
>>
>> Companies have learned this year from Sony Pictures that protecting
>> yourself against nation-states is the difference between surviving and
>> not surviving, and that doing so requires a completely different
>> corporate design than they're used to. FraudWorld has been invaded by
>> SpookWorld.
>>
>> Good times! :) Of course, I can't end without saying that if you want to
>> see what the climate is going to look like, what the swamp creatures
>> about to invade tend to eat, then you have to come down to the
>> Everglades and see us at INFILTRATE.
>>
>> -dave
>>
>>
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