[Dailydave] Where the nuclear metaphors all breakdown.

[dave aitel]

One thing that COULD make sense is the Chinese telling us when they hack
power plants and find someone else they don't recognize on critical
systems.

(But you might need a watermarking system for that to actually work. :)
ANNOYING LINK REPOST:
http://cybersecpolitics.blogspot.com/2016/03/a-technical-scheme-for-watermarking.html

But to bring it back to your point: If Wikileaks were getting the
majority of its funding from China, would you expect the Chinese to
block that? We all have very different understandings of what
constitutes a cyber capability, or undesirable activity on the Internet.

-dave
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On 5/18/2016 3:48 PM, Adam M. Segal wrote:
> There was, as you can imagine, a certain amount of politics involved in co-writing this with a Chinese author, and things were often not fleshed out because they quickly ran into political realities. I can't speak for Tang, but I was not thinking export controls. I was thinking more disrupting the infrastructure of the groups to find, use, develop these capabilities through other means-shared intel leading to kinetic, financial or other ops. All not likely given strategic mistrust between the two sides
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave aitel [mailto:dave at immunityinc.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:35 PM
> To: Adam M. Segal <asegal at cfr.org>; dailydave at lists.immunityinc.com
> Subject: Where the nuclear metaphors all breakdown.
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> http://www.nbr.org/publications/specialreport/pdf/Free/06192016/SR57_US-China_April2016.pdf
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> Reading down into the cyber section...
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> Beijing and Washington share an interest in preventing extremist groups and other third parties from attacking critical infrastructure and should discuss joint measures to stop the proliferation of capabilities to nonstate actors.
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> That's the kind of sentence that only makes sense if you're thinking about export control actually working as if "Cyber Capabilities" were something more than "code" and "information". But what else could you be thinking about here? What does this actually MEAN?
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