[Dailydave] The Shadow Government

Dave Aitel dave at immunityinc.com
Wed Oct 30 17:32:41 EDT 2013


So one thing I find that I like about Immunity is that we're quite split
up in terms of customer verticals. But historically, one of our
strongest verticals is the NYC financial sector. I went to NY recently
and talked to a number of our customers and one thing I thought was
interesting was that they are extremely, vociferously annoyed at FISA
warrants that go to their cloud providers (aka, Amazon). They're fine
with warrants, but they want to know what was delivered and when. A lot
of our customers now care far MORE about this than about Chinese APT
attacks, which I found completely unexpected.

We're seeing a lot of pushback in the news from Google and Yahoo and
Facebook and other technology firms who find that helping the government
the way they have been is "bad for business", but the financial sector
is even more upset, from what I can tell. When you talk to people in DC
about how just monumentally mad industry people (a huge percentage of
whom came in on H1-B's, remember) are at the IC, they really don't seem
to understand. But it's a SEA CHANGE. A broad and complete
transformation in the balance of the world.

The brings us back to this blog post from the Cornell Professor Emin
Sirir, which I think I've linked to before.
http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/08/01/framework-for-surveillance/

But it also brings us to all of Clay Shirky's <http://www.shirky.com/>
work, which if you haven't read, then you're really missing out. His
work is on how the Internet changes how societies form. It is, in a
sense, the "Guns Germs and Steel" of our world.

And if you add up all their work I think what you see is that large
scale collection
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/movement-of-largest-known-dinosaur-recreated-by-computers/2013/10/30/0c698828-40d2-11e3-a624-41d661b0bb78_story.html>
had a second zombie-like life (for both political and technical
reasons). It ate a lot of brains. But it's _eventually_ going to go
away, and only Cybercom will remain.

-dave
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