[Dailydave] Late Friday thoughts on the Kevin Mandia RSAC keynote.

Richard Bejtlich taosecurity at gmail.com
Mon Mar 24 12:14:40 EDT 2014

I'm glad you thought it worthwhile to analyze whatever you analyzed,
but after our report was public, the heads of the House and Senate
Intel Committees, NSA, and others I won't name, said Mandiant got the
attribution correct.



On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM, J. Oquendo <joquendo at e-fensive.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Richard Bejtlich wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Moses Hernandez <moses at moses.io> wrote:
>> > Dave,
>> >   Quick Q: You referring to this particular statement (I paused it):
>> >
>> > Highlights - Technical
>> > - In over 97% of the 2,672 separate APT1 intrusions Mandiant observed (into 141 companies), APT1 used IP addresses registered in Shanghai.
>> >
>> > So that statement tells me that those are just the APT1 intrusions not all of the Mandiant referenced intrusions. APT1 itself is said to use IP addresses registered in Shanghai. Is that by itself clever misdirection? Maybe. Are there other 'APT' style groups that go undetected from various nations?
>> Moses is right. Dave misunderstood what Kevin said. Also, APT1 is only
>> one of two dozen or so Chinese groups Mandiant tracks. We also track
>> Russians, etc.
> With all due respect to your researchers, colleagues, etc,
> I took your APT1 data, ran it through all sorts of analysis'
> all sorts of recon and I could not for the life of my come
> to the same conclusions that you guys did.
> All your data run through Sentinel Analysis
> http://www.infiltrated.net/aptredux/
> There is no voodoo, dirty tricks there, its all recorded
> for all to see. Here is a mind map of all of Mandiant's
> data:
> http://infiltrated.net/straggler-f211596a8ac0cac13983ad2b98a71108/straggler-mapped.html
> 70% plus, were mapped to one industry, not CN government.
> Did you guys (Mandiant) omit some secret sauce, because I
> still have a difficult time piecing together how - outside
> of an IP address, and one name (UglyGorilla) - you guys
> can even attribute this to CN gov.
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