<div dir="ltr"><div>such articles do not present facts regarding possible IP theft by NSA , as i am sure you are unable to present any credible source offering the same done or being done by a nice office at PLA/MSS where China based industry can go fill an application request for confidential data from some intel empowered actor ( say.. ZTE has official relationship with PLA/MSS constantly asking for their secret data on Motorola ? as if ZTE cannot hire a bunch from underground and they "need" to go asking of the "state" ? -- funny ) . with that in mind , i am suggesting you take a sometime and review how many times USG has been caught LYING on major issues , including but not limited to the chemical agents in Iraq . please take a look at official testimonies , senate discussions and all the media activity in that time frame and later take a look at "Collin Powell" false claims later admitted by himself and while you are at it maybe you want to take a look at the <span class="">Rafid Ahmed Alwan story , the curveball . i have not seen revelations from china similar to what we have learned from Bradly manning and Edward Snowden cases , so the "claim" US industry might have against China is waiting for evidences . meanwhile we have credible enough evidences proving USG and particularly US IC's involvement in "capital crimes" of many strips . when a US official says - on record - "the war in iraq was largely about Oil" i'd be expecting any other types of corruption , including but not limited to corporate espionage . <br>
<br>the key role player here is not a legally accepted proof , it is how a system projected itself with dual standards . obviously there is vast difference in how administration work in US and China and i understand what dave refers to saying US based business can not go directly ask NSA for data on some competitor . thing is , people who learned a lesson from the "Clipper Chip" story and similar issues of the same nature do not really buy a ticket to legal theater presented by USG officials . i bet this is the "mindset" at the core of Russia/China and other media outlets celebrating the Snowden case . <br>
<br></span></div><span class="">-Mh<br></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Richard Bejtlich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:taosecurity@gmail.com" target="_blank">taosecurity@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Jonathan Brossard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:endrazine@gmail.com" target="_blank">endrazine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear list,<div class="im"><br>
<br>
It seems all of you denying even the possibility of economical espionage<br>
were proved very wrong by the recent developments :<br>
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/nsa-spied-on-european-union-offices-a-908590.html" target="_blank">http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/nsa-spied-on-european-union-offices-a-908590.html</a><br>
unless of course you consider the European Union as a "terrorist" group.<br>
#nonsense<br></div></blockquote></div><br>How exactly does that article, or any "recent developments," contradict the fact that the US IC doesn't steal trade secrets on behalf of US companies?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Richard<br></font></span></div>
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