<div dir="ltr">Dave,<div><br></div><div>With all due respect, I think the "cyberweapon" and "cyberwar" language needs to stop. I urge you to not promote it.</div><div><br></div><div>This kind of sloppy rhetoric conflates war (which has clear definitions under international law) with espionage (or network exploitation) and worse, with crime. Stealing things is NOT war. Breaking into computers is NOT war. These are NOT weapons, unless they can clearly be shown to have similar effects to actual weapons.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Calling DNA a "cyberweapon," as happened in a previous post, conflates information about biology with computer programs (is it not one) and use of that information with an act of war (it is NOT war.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Seriously, this is really hurting our cause by degrading a serious topic into unscientific, emotional, and in may cases entirely self-serving rhetoric, rather than a serious discussion of serious issues.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dave (D.)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Dave Aitel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@immunityinc.com" target="_blank">dave@immunityinc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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So what defines a Cyber Weapon is in some part of my mind, a certain
Mojo. It's like the difference between a speech, and rhetoric. With
the right rhetoric you can lift whole houses right off the ground.
And the right cyber weapon can change the world. <br>
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To put it into context is Robert Graham:<br>
<a href="http://blog.erratasec.com/2013/10/the-fifth-estate-consensual.html#.UmmFBPnkvz4" target="_blank">http://blog.erratasec.com/2013/10/the-fifth-estate-consensual.html</a><br>
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But once he got the ball
rolling, it started to take on a life of its own. That happens a
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His claim (which is probably right) is that WikiLeaks is there to
provide cover for Wikileaks-related hackers (aka, Assange himself)
who had data they wanted to get out. But so what? It's genius and
everyone else is probably wishing they'd thought of it first, but
nobody at the time realized how powerful just dumping semi-organized
data on the world in a way that could not be shut up could be. It's
like we had Voice of America, but failed to translate that into the
Internet world before some random Australian, and now we're all
jealous and blindsided.<br>
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A good cyberweapon has Mojo. It has a life of it's own. That's what
makes them so unstoppable.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-dave<br>
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