<div dir="ltr">So far, I've shoved this most excellent post in quite a few faces .... and will shove in more :-)<div><br></div><div>I often wonder whether those same people who equate infosec/"cyber" with fraud (and there are plenty, sadly - not on *this* enlightened list of course :-)) and thus want to "solve cyber", also want to "solve theft", "solve murder", "solve greed", etc, etc, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Ah, here goes one more: "... we don't need security, we don't handle credit card numbers here" ....</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Dave Aitel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@immunityinc.com" target="_blank">dave@immunityinc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So much of security is driven by "fraud" and coming from a spook<br>
background as many people on this list do, I find it annoying.<br>
RSA-the-conference-and-meme is one of those markets that just baffles a<br>
lot of people who come from the government space. How is any of that<br>
stuff possibly worth so much money?<br>
<br>
"Fraud" is partially the answer I think. Things that come from the fraud<br>
world are as alien to spook-world as a giant ant-eater is to North<br>
America. At some level defeating Fraud is about hygiene, more than<br>
security. It's about valuing information in fungible units defined by<br>
"Credit Cards" or "Users" and not by "importance".<br>
<br>
But climates can change and we are at the cusp of that change. If you<br>
look at how Google Wallet or ApplePay work, they have the major<br>
advantage in that they already know what you want to buy before you buy<br>
it, and they know where you are at all times, so fraud is going to get<br>
exponentially more difficult. It may, in fact, become impossible.<br>
Imagine if consumer Fraud went extinct? Is this harder to imagine than a<br>
world without woolly mammoths?<br>
<br>
Companies have learned this year from Sony Pictures that protecting<br>
yourself against nation-states is the difference between surviving and<br>
not surviving, and that doing so requires a completely different<br>
corporate design than they're used to. FraudWorld has been invaded by<br>
SpookWorld.<br>
<br>
Good times! :) Of course, I can't end without saying that if you want to<br>
see what the climate is going to look like, what the swamp creatures<br>
about to invade tend to eat, then you have to come down to the<br>
Everglades and see us at INFILTRATE.<br>
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-dave<br>
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