<div dir="ltr">I think this is why we are starting to see more workshops at conferences which is a better format for people to sit down and dig into a topic for a couple hours. Although this doesn't work for all types of talks or research it is a step in the right direction. <div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, I don't think it's something we will see in the bigger cons as they don't have the same general "marketing" appeal. But they do generally deal with the fun and practical knowledge...how does 'X' actually work. Which for a lot of us is why we're here..forever curious.</div><div><br></div><div>Sean</div><div>PS - Infiltrate should totally have workshops.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Julio Auto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:julio.auto@gmail.com" target="_blank">julio.auto@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Also prompted by (and arguably relevant to) the same point: <a href="https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/738334152513048576" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/738334152513048576</a><div><br></div><div> Julio Auto</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:40 AM dave aitel <<a href="mailto:dave@immunityinc.com" target="_blank">dave@immunityinc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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<p>From Spender's recent <a href="https://grsecurity.net/SSTIC2016.pdf" target="_blank">Keynote</a>:<br>
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Conferences poor method of knowledge transfer <br>
<p> Good method of making audience feel “knowledge” transfer <br>
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<p> Accept that it’s basically show-and-tell, that understanding
of a topic requires
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<p>As someone who helps run <a href="http://infiltratecon.com/" target="_blank">INFILTRATE</a>
I want to point out that while I totally agree that conferences
can be hard to use as knowledge transfer mechanisms, that they are
getting better. In particular I want to point people towards this
very long piece on how everything connects together, especially
those of you who attended INFILTRATE: <a href="http://cybersecpolitics.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-common-thread-fuzzing-bug-triage.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://cybersecpolitics.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-common-thread-fuzzing-bug-triage.html" target="_blank">http://cybersecpolitics.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-common-thread-fuzzing-bug-triage.html</a></p>
<p>This is also true of training: I'd love to find a way to offer a
continued education series based on the INFILTRATE classes. And I
have another post coming out to connect more dots from INFILTRATE
2016 shortly. But Spender is right: Conferences, a mainstay of our
community, can be too much about show and tell, and not enough
about scientific progress. (That said, I think INFILTRATE is the
best among them in that regards, of course. :))</p>
<p>And we ARE offering the INFILTRATE training again <a href="https://twitter.com/Immunityinc/status/738404651712798721" target="_blank">both
in NYC and (strangely enough!) Columbia MD</a>.<br>
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<p>-dave</p>
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